Comments on: Is Heavy Metal to Blame? http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/ Just another Shefbase.com weblog Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:40:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.0 by: Angeline http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-297 Mon, 12 May 2008 13:47:23 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-297 I don't have any argument with what you say here - the so-called "influence" of music and lyrics is ridiculous- people who go on killing sprees dont do it because of some lyrics they heard! However, knowing a great deal about the Luke Mitchell case, I have to correct some of your claims about him. He did not "admit" to idolising Manson,(actually, he had one cd, which he got after Jodi died), was not shown in evidence to be "obsessed" with satan and the occult, there was no evidence whatsoever regarding doubts about his mental state, he was not depressed, was not proven to have any genetic predisposition to violence, and, unlike all of the others mentioned here, he did not commit suicide, but is still alive, and still protesting his innocence. What you report here is lifted directly from the same sensationalist media coverage that blames bands for "influencing" people in the first place. In this particular instance, the media leapt on the bandwagon to paint a horrific picture of an ordinary kid (and an innocent one at that) and that picture was used to convict him, in the absence of any concrete evidence whatsoever.In all of the other cases, the media has been free to assert that the kids involved were influenced by this, that, or the other, because those kids are no longer here to give lie to their claims. Any proper examination of Luke Mitchell, who was 14 at the time of his girlfriend's death, shows an oridnary, undisturbed, typical teenager, who is still fighting to prove that he had nothing to do with the murder, despite the media's worst efforts. It's the people who believe that media coverage who are by far the more dangerous! I don’t have any argument with what you say here - the so-called “influence” of music and lyrics is ridiculous- people who go on killing sprees dont do it because of some lyrics they heard!
However, knowing a great deal about the Luke Mitchell case, I have to correct some of your claims about him. He did not “admit” to idolising Manson,(actually, he had one cd, which he got after Jodi died), was not shown in evidence to be “obsessed” with satan and the occult, there was no evidence whatsoever regarding doubts about his mental state, he was not depressed, was not proven to have any genetic predisposition to violence, and, unlike all of the others mentioned here, he did not commit suicide, but is still alive, and still protesting his innocence. What you report here is lifted directly from the same sensationalist media coverage that blames bands for “influencing” people in the first place. In this particular instance, the media leapt on the bandwagon to paint a horrific picture of an ordinary kid (and an innocent one at that) and that picture was used to convict him, in the absence of any concrete evidence whatsoever.In all of the other cases, the media has been free to assert that the kids involved were influenced by this, that, or the other, because those kids are no longer here to give lie to their claims. Any proper examination of Luke Mitchell, who was 14 at the time of his girlfriend’s death, shows an oridnary, undisturbed, typical teenager, who is still fighting to prove that he had nothing to do with the murder, despite the media’s worst efforts. It’s the people who believe that media coverage who are by far the more dangerous!

]]> by: RM http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-253 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:48:23 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-253 I like how the artists accused of being dangerous are always the harmless poppy ones that have fanbases mostly consisting of 14 year olds. I'm wondering when someone who listens purely to NSBM is gonna go shoot up a school, and what the media reaction will be then. They'd probably gloss over the particulars and blame it on Manson again as the kid will have a solitary mp3 of his on their computer. Or they'll have played GTA II when they were a kid, and the 2D graphics had propelled their blood-lust ever since. But yeh, the vilification of 'metal' is, and always will be stupid, and always originates from the mouths of the woefully uninformed. If someone who listens to Marilyn Manson and Slipknot goes out and shoots people after hearing lyrics so 'controversial in a safe middle-class way', then it's probably safe to say that the individual had a natural disposition towards violence and homicidal thoughts in the first place. I like how the artists accused of being dangerous are always the harmless poppy ones that have fanbases mostly consisting of 14 year olds.

I’m wondering when someone who listens purely to NSBM is gonna go shoot up a school, and what the media reaction will be then. They’d probably gloss over the particulars and blame it on Manson again as the kid will have a solitary mp3 of his on their computer. Or they’ll have played GTA II when they were a kid, and the 2D graphics had propelled their blood-lust ever since.

But yeh, the vilification of ‘metal’ is, and always will be stupid, and always originates from the mouths of the woefully uninformed. If someone who listens to Marilyn Manson and Slipknot goes out and shoots people after hearing lyrics so ‘controversial in a safe middle-class way’, then it’s probably safe to say that the individual had a natural disposition towards violence and homicidal thoughts in the first place.

]]> by: L K Tucker http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-251 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:23:36 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-251 Everyone has their ax to grind when a mass shooting happens. But they are most likely caused by a simple problem of human physiology and Subliminal Distraction. SD was discovered when it caused mental breaks for office workers. The cubicle was designed to deal with the vision startle reflex to stop the problem by 1968. There is evidence in the stories of mass shooters that they created the "special circumstances for exposure. The Virginia Tech shooter used his laptop to study in the suite common room while others walked by ignoring him. That's a description of SD exposure. Mark Barton, Atlanta Day Trader killer and Jeff Weise, Redlake School shooter both have similar evidence in their stories. Everyone has their ax to grind when a mass shooting happens. But they are most likely caused by a simple problem of human physiology and Subliminal Distraction.

SD was discovered when it caused mental breaks for office workers. The cubicle was designed to deal with the vision startle reflex to stop the problem by 1968.

There is evidence in the stories of mass shooters that they created the “special circumstances for exposure.

The Virginia Tech shooter used his laptop to study in the suite common room while others walked by ignoring him. That’s a description of SD exposure.

Mark Barton, Atlanta Day Trader killer and Jeff Weise, Redlake School shooter both have similar evidence in their stories.

]]> by: Mazza http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-250 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:57 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-250 Fair enough Manson doesnt make kids kill themselves, but he's a bit of an idiot and makes absolutely rubbish music. Fair enough Manson doesnt make kids kill themselves, but he’s a bit of an idiot and makes absolutely rubbish music.

]]> by: Alvaro Bidart http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-249 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:44:48 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-249 Good article... Music has definately the power to influence people and what they do, however, if somebody goes on a shooting spree bacause they heard a song that talked about killing, they definately had something wrong to begin with. Music could not be blamed for others peoples actions and we can't censored different styles of music that we might not agree with just because we don't like it. Good article…
Music has definately the power to influence people and what they do, however, if somebody goes on a shooting spree bacause they heard a song that talked about killing, they definately had something wrong to begin with.
Music could not be blamed for others peoples actions and we can’t censored different styles of music that we might not agree with just because we don’t like it.

]]> by: John http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-245 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:56:49 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-245 If I were to listen to anything other than heavy metal, for example, spend an hour listening to Leona Lewis, Hear'Say, Britney Spears, S Club 7 etc... I'd be a lot more likely to grab a random fire arm and keep shooting until the noise stops. The amount of narrow-minded, sub-retarded people working in the media nowadays makes me want to shoot them =). If I were to listen to anything other than heavy metal, for example, spend an hour listening to Leona Lewis, Hear’Say, Britney Spears, S Club 7 etc… I’d be a lot more likely to grab a random fire arm and keep shooting until the noise stops.

The amount of narrow-minded, sub-retarded people working in the media nowadays makes me want to shoot them =).

]]> by: mr dicky richard lawton http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-244 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:18:21 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-244 grand! The same argument is used against people who play violent video games and watch 'unsuitable' films, I cant remember the specific example but everyones heard of the game 'manhunt' grand! The same argument is used against people who play violent video games and watch ‘unsuitable’ films, I cant remember the specific example but everyones heard of the game ‘manhunt’

]]> by: Bella http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-243 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:54:27 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-243 Good article!! People kill around the world every day, people who dont listen to Marilyn Manson. Maybe the lifeless boring music they have listened to urged them to kill in desperation for this world? I dont see anyone blaming Rihanna..? Since when does bringing a subject up for discussion mean agreeing with the subject in the first place? Because that is all these musicians do, they try to make people open their eyes, not close peoples eyes by killing them. And yes, some killers have listened to heavy metal. But I am pretty sure they have heard their share of poptastic tunes too. There is clearly something majorly wrong with people who kill other people, but I have great trouble seeing a type of music loved by people all over the world, being their main fault. Good article!!

People kill around the world every day, people who dont listen to Marilyn Manson. Maybe the lifeless boring music they have listened to urged them to kill in desperation for this world? I dont see anyone blaming Rihanna..?

Since when does bringing a subject up for discussion mean agreeing with the subject in the first place? Because that is all these musicians do, they try to make people open their eyes, not close peoples eyes by killing them.

And yes, some killers have listened to heavy metal. But I am pretty sure they have heard their share of poptastic tunes too.

There is clearly something majorly wrong with people who kill other people, but I have great trouble seeing a type of music loved by people all over the world, being their main fault.

]]> by: John http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-239 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:22:31 +0000 http://shefbase.com/days/2008/is-heavy-metal-to-blame/#comment-239 Had a feeling you'd just written something so I checked... and you posted this like less than an hour ago. Weird eh? Had a feeling you’d just written something so I checked… and you posted this like less than an hour ago.

Weird eh?

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